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| Glen has written another excellent review for us, this time on the Lyman "Devastator" hollwopoints. And what mammoth hollowpoints they are, the Speer Flying Ashtray has nothing on these! http://www.handloads.com/articles/devastator.asp | |
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| That is a nice article... you do good work, Glen. The minute there was mention of a 325gr. "Devastator" bullet I thought "now that would be something!" Then a little while later I thought about the last antelope I shot in relation to this bullet. I shot a big doe at 110 yds. with a 305gr. linotype LFN-type, 0.315" meplat, 1430 fps. The shot was nearly straight away. It hit the left ham, missed the leg bone, passed through the gut and over the heart, then popped a 3" hunk of sternum/rib out as it exited. Do you think a 325gr. Devastator would have made it that far? I wonder. Mike Krall | |
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| It's nice to have Glen around. I enjoy his writtings. | |
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| Thank you for kinds words guys, I enjoy the writing almost as much as the shooting! I can only guess as to your question Mike, but on an antelope I would guess that it would indeed have made it that far. There's no doubt that your point is a good one, the HP won't go as deep as the LFN you describe, but on an antelope you had loads of penetation to spare. You're describing about 3 feet of penetration and I think a 325 grain HP would do that (it would depend on whether or not the stomach was directly hit and how full it was). Now a similar shot presentation on an elk would be an entirely different matter! I'd take the LFN every time for elk. | |
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| Yes, that was the question... penetration. I should have been clearer. Her stomach was full and the bullet traveled through it. The shot I described was the second... the first was from about 80 yards and broadside. This doe and another whirled at the shot, made a couple of jumps, then stopped with their butts to me... I figured I'd better keep shooting. I have chased wounded antelope before, both mine and other's. It is about the least amount of fun a person can have when hunting. Mike Krall | |
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| Mike -- Your decision to shoot in spite of a less than perfect presentation was exactly the right thing to do. As you say, wounded antelope can go for miles. As to how a HP would handle a full stomach, that's an interesting question. The answer I think depends on how much the HP has expanded before it reaches the stomach contents. A full stomach can be an excellent bullet stop, and if the HP has opened up significantly then my guess is that it would slow down significantly or stop in the stomach. However, I saw a deer shot by one of my partners that was shot in the stomach with the Gould HP (a 330 grain cast HP for the .45-70). The stomach was basically the first thing the bullet saw, and in that case the hole appeared to plug and the bullet did not expand at all, and it just punched right through like a solid. | |
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Quote And for days... Do you see a design-of-hollow-point difference between the "Dev." and the 330 Gould that might account for the "plugging" of the Gould in your example? Mike Krall | |
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| Yes, there is a design differnce. How much of a difference this would make in plugging, I don't really know. The Devastator HP's have conical cavities, whereas the Gould HP has the traditional straight, tubular cavity. I suspect that the conical cavities of the Devastators would have them opening more readily under "plugging conditions" than would a straight cavity bullet, but that's just a guess (having never done any side-by-side testing). | |
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| An excellent article! Especially the 45ACP and 10mm appeal to me.Thanks! Great pics,too. | |
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| Glen, Nice article. Well put together & very informative on the "Devastator". It seems you see very little in regards to field tests with various cast loads, and it's nice to read someone else's results. I've been meaning to get a Devastator mould for my .44 to compare it to my current (#429244HP) cast HP mould. Two years ago, when hunting "out back". I came across a shot at a doe somewhere between 110 & 125 yds. She was standing quartered facing me. The round was a near standard "Elmer Keith" load of 21.0grs of 2400, WWLR primer, and the bullet weighed around 265grs., gascheck & all. The round chronographed at 1455fps., and grouped at or near 3" at 100yds. I aimed at the does chest, just to the front edge of her shoulder. The round went through her chest just inside the chest wall hitting one of her main arteries, and part of her lung. The bullet struck the opposite shoulder blade at enough of an angle to cause it to ride up the side of her rib cage under the skin. The round struck her last rib in line, shattering it, and sending the round down through her diapragham, through her liver & intestines, and coming to rest just inside her ham. Talk about a pinball game! The bullet still weighed 182 grains when finished, and she (like yours) dropped like a rock & dead before she hit the ground. Since then, I've switched to cast only in my revolvers and never regretted it. I've cast bullets for over 30yrs. and never really hunted much with them, until then. Now it's all I use at 1500 fps or less. Again, nice article...motivating (me to spend more money!...LOL) Bob | |
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| Ive had this mold for about a year now. It shoots real well in my .44 bisley with 20 grains of 110 and a 350 primer. Just for an experiment this year my brother in law and i are going to shoot it in our inline muzzle loaders with a sabot. I casted them out of #2 for this application. I guessing it should be a wicked bullet for whitetails out of a smoke pole. | |
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| I just read Glen's article. Is there a Devestator HP for the .45 Colt? I like the looks of those. And I still have my casting equipment. Beautifly mushroomed bullets. Great article too. | |
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| Glen, I am new to this forum. I enjoyed your article on the Devastator's. I have been using the 429640HP for some time in my 21" TC .44 Magnum carbine and my 18" .444 Winchester Timber rifle. My lead is a little softer than yours. As cast, mine drop from the mold at 266 grains. Lubed and gas checked they weigh 273 grains. I leave them .431" without reduction in size. Two very good loads for the Timber rifle are 30.0 grains of IMR 4227 at 1,615 fps. Also 40.0 grains of IMR 4198 for 1,965 fps. Both of these loads shoot better than I can hold. I use Javalina Alox lube with no leading on normal days. Very hot days will leave light leading with 4198 but it brushes right out. I seat these to 2.50" and use a Lee factory crimp die They feed well in the Winchester. | |
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